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KCMax
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Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 22196 Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:10 pm |
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ignatius
Oak Tower
Joined: Wed Feb 19, 2003 8:42 pm Posts: 4633 Location: Midtown/Downtown
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
This is true with many network rollouts in any metro area. They bring in their own contractors.
Whether they are local contractors or contractors brought in, technically they are still jobs in KCK having similar eco impact. Network build outs are just temp jobs anyway.
It the result of the network that could potentially bring jobs.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:42 pm |
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KC0KEK
Oak Tower
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:23 am Posts: 4852 Location: Neither here nor there
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
It costs an average of $110/foot to build a lateral. Is your friend's business the only tenant in the building? If not, he might be able to convince a couple of the other tenants to get together and approach the LEC or whomever with an offer to pick up multiple customers if they build the lateral.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:23 pm |
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KC0KEK
Oak Tower
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:23 am Posts: 4852 Location: Neither here nor there
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
Has Google said that it will build and operate a network in KCK? Or will it just resell service from other operators? Google was never clear about this when it announced the contest, but some of the cities and operators I spoke with back then said that they could envision Google just reselling FiOS or whatever service was already available in the market they choose.
For example, although Verizon's residential service currently maxes out at 50 Mbps in some markets, the fiber can support much more. Verizon did some trials in 2009 where they just swapped out the gear at both ends so they could deliver 10 Gbps over an existing FiOS connection. That flexibility is one of the benefits of PON. Whatever company already has the infrastructure in KCK, or is willing to build it, could just knock on Google's door and offer its network on a wholesale basis. Google also could make a big investment in that company, just as Microsoft invested $1 billion in Comcast in 1997 to fund that company's broadband buildout.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:34 pm |
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mlind
Colonnade
Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:40 am Posts: 891 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
Unfortunately, the other tenants are satisfied with their network speed.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:54 pm |
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KC0KEK
Oak Tower
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:23 am Posts: 4852 Location: Neither here nor there
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
Your friend might try whichever broadband wireless (microwave, not cellular) operator serves his area. Those guys make their bones in bringing T1 and higher services to sites where wired operators don't want to build a lateral.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:01 pm |
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mlind
Colonnade
Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:40 am Posts: 891 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
You have to remember this is in Berkeley CA where everyone is afraid of radiation from wireless. You need to wear aluminum foil on your head at all times. As you might imagine, cell coverage sucks.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:15 pm |
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KC0KEK
Oak Tower
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:23 am Posts: 4852 Location: Neither here nor there
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
Towerstream has service in Berkeley. Not sure what speeds they offer in that particular market, but in other ones, they're selling up to 1.5 Gbps.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:38 pm |
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ignatius
Oak Tower
Joined: Wed Feb 19, 2003 8:42 pm Posts: 4633 Location: Midtown/Downtown
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
It's a little strange that Google said they'll have 'their' own employees come in. I assume they mean a general fiber contractor, not specifically Google employees. I wonder who will maintain the network long term if not having much of a local presence.
You'd think they'd contract the entire build/maintenance to someone like Surewest/Everest using Google's selection for Gbit equipment and on Google terms. Surewest already does fiber to home in some KC areas, though not cheap.
BTW, I just checked and Surewest now has service in Plaza/Westport areas - sweet. Hope they develop a relationship with Google and eventually upgrade the network to the same equipment G will use. Getting it cheap might not be doable though.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:28 pm |
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shinatoo
Oak Tower
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:20 pm Posts: 4988 Location: Lee's Summit
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
That's a healthy markup considering 6 strand multi mode is going for about a buck a foot right now.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:44 pm |
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KC0KEK
Oak Tower
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:23 am Posts: 4852 Location: Neither here nor there
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
Right, but consider the cost of permits, materials, labor, etc. for tearing up an urban street.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:06 pm |
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pash
Valencia Place
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:47 am Posts: 1505
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I imagine he meant that in jest, but, yes, most of the cost is manpower and conduit/pole access (permits, user's fees)—or trenching, especially, when it's required.
That's clearly part of the reason Google picked KCK: free, no-hassle conduit and pole access from the city-owned utility.
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| Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:08 pm |
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shinatoo
Oak Tower
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:20 pm Posts: 4988 Location: Lee's Summit
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
No, I didn't. I imagine you could find a situation that merits 110 a foot, but in most cases that would be highway robbery.
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| Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:20 am |
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KC0KEK
Oak Tower
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:23 am Posts: 4852 Location: Neither here nor there
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
Highway robbery or not, it's the average I got based on input from several vendors and operators. If it weren't that expensive, you'd see a lot more laterals.
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| Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:27 am |
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pash
Valencia Place
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:47 am Posts: 1505
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
It's a fairly reasonable ballpark price for small-scale bored or trenched installation in an urban area. Urban bored installation is often put at $300,000-500,000 per mile ($57-94 per foot), and that's for long runs, where economies of scale moderate the price per unit length.
It doesn't much matter whether you're running twine or platinum braid. That's not the expensive part.
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| Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:56 am |
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mlind
Colonnade
Joined: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:40 am Posts: 891 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
I heard on the radio (while driving) that the 'new' thing is LTE on unused spectrum. There is a possible conflict with GPS because it's too close to that spectrum.
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| Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:29 pm |
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KC0KEK
Oak Tower
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:23 am Posts: 4852 Location: Neither here nor there
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
It depends on the spectrum. Verizon, AT&T, et al are using bands where LTE interference to GPS isn't a problem. That's not the case with LightSquared, which wants to use LTE in spectrum where some folks think it could interfere with GPS and other services. We'll see what the courts and regulators say. There was a similar beef a decade or so ago regarding MMDS possibly interfering with satellite radio. No doubt some of this is just companies playing the interference card to fuck with their competitors.
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| Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:59 pm |
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rokhok
Pad site
Joined: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:38 pm Posts: 53 Location: Crossroads
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
It's not like it costs exactly $110 every foot... There are a lot of fixed costs that get amortized over an installation. Some have been mentioned like permits, labor, etc. There are many more, especially in commercial buildings such as coring and refill on the building, the expensive electronics on either side of a connection to actually pass traffic, battery backups for cores systems, etc. etc. The cost of the actual fiber is pretty minimal...
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| Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:38 pm |
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KCMax
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Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 22196 Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
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| Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:27 pm |
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WinchesterMysteryHouse
New York Life
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:54 am Posts: 491
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 Re: Google picks KCK for ultra fast fiber network
This event is the 'tipping point' where a small market city becomes an expensive small market city- invest in real estate now.
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