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scooterj
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Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:30 pm Posts: 5559 Location: River Market
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Did you all see what The Star had to say today about downtown baseball... in St. Louis? http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/14310182.htmIt's time for a new newspaper.
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:26 pm |
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kard
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Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:37 pm Posts: 5627 Location: Kingdom of Waldo
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That was an AP story, but yeah, I'm surprised they picked it up.
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:33 pm |
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omenapt
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Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:04 pm Posts: 288
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oh how i wish i hadn t stumbled upon this posting..Just makes my blood boil!!!
It has got to be one of the most annoying Rags in the country!
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| Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:42 pm |
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those worthless pieces of dung.... no wonder all their glass is shot out.
They can use the kickbacks from this laughable TSC vote they'll get to fix the broken glass.
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Sportster
Colonnade
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:23 am Posts: 878
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HA! I'm just wondering when Pravda - DOH!! er The Star (that'd be the "daily rag" for you in the business) is going to demand the Jackson County taxpayers PAY for the glass that's been shot out. BTW - Who's freakin brain-trust was that.  Glass panels the size of Montana, next to an interstate, in a deserted downtown. Oh noooo, these won't draw ANYONE'S attention, oh noooooo. (play Mr. Bill tape here) BANG BANG!!!!Sportster ...did ya git it irv? ummm, think so!
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AllThingsKC
Mark Twain Tower
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:57 pm Posts: 8481 Location: Kansas City, Missouri (Downtown)
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Doesn't The Star, which I think supports downtown, see the irony in having that article? "VOTE YES....KEEP THE TEAMS 5 MILES FROM DOWNTOWN." "A DOWNTOWN BALLPARK IS GREAT....FOR ST. LOUIS." 
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:23 am |
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StL_Dan
Hotel President
Joined: Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:04 pm Posts: 3375 Location: Olathe via St Louis
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^^  ^^
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warwickland
Bryant Building
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:29 am Posts: 4149 Location: Tower Grove South, St. Louis, Missouri
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i saw a giant "pujols family" highway sign 30 miles outside of kc this weekend.
the pathetically small amount of whatever you want to call it i have for the royals shriveled up and died.
off topic, way off topic.
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:00 am |
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DaveKCMO
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Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:22 am Posts: 11759 Location: Crossroads
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i disagreed with the star's stance, too... but remember that news pages and opinion pages are not always edited by the same person (and in this case, they are not). most daily readers can discern the difference (those pesky editorials are actually on a page labeled "opinion", as well... just in case). did TV news bring you all the alternative angles the star did? no, they sure didn't... because they were too busy chasing thunderstorms and cell-phone swallowers to give a shit. i do expect criticisms of our only real local news source (sorry, i don't count bloggers... they just link to the star anyway), but please make sure your argument distinguishes between news and opinion.
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dangerboy
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Joined: Wed Feb 19, 2003 2:28 pm Posts: 9028 Location: West 39th St. - KCMO
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Except in this case the Star really went over the line between news and editorial when they sent a last-minute pro-SOS email to their database of online uses.
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trailerkid
City Center Square
Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2002 10:49 pm Posts: 11221 Location: San Francisco, California
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The SOS campaign took out a lot of advertising in the Star...I think its value was probably in the 10s of thousands of dollars. It's the same as Comedy Central not airing anti-Scientology stuff for fear of loss of advertising revenue. Objectivity flies out the window when a business is involved.
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:24 am |
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yeah I got this too.... I hate them for life, pathetic morons. I hope the people in charge of their official position are gone soon.
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:35 am |
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WoodDraw
Western Auto Lofts
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:53 am Posts: 657
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The argument about the separation between the news and editorial sections went out the door when the Star turned over their front page to the SOS campaign. The Star's idea of criticism is not publishing a Posnanski love fest for a day.
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:37 am |
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kard
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Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:37 pm Posts: 5627 Location: Kingdom of Waldo
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Now is a GREAT time to complain to their new parent company. Let them know you're upset. I'm sure the new guys are eager to start fiddling with management. Lets help them figure out where to start. contact@mcclatchy.comhttp://www.mcclatchy.com/news/2006/stor ... 0749c.html
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AllThingsKC
Mark Twain Tower
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:57 pm Posts: 8481 Location: Kansas City, Missouri (Downtown)
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Let me correct my own quote. I misread the KC Star article. The headline talks about how a downtown ballpark is IMPROVING DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.That said, I can't believe the Star doesn't seem to see the irony in that.
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:53 am |
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aknowledgeableperson
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Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:31 am Posts: 9941
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Not saying a stadium would not help (very limited) downtown, but the Star took the view of what was best for the Kansas City area as a whole, not a small section of the whole area. There is a difference.
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:44 am |
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AllThingsKC
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Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:57 pm Posts: 8481 Location: Kansas City, Missouri (Downtown)
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Uh...I think you might have sparked a fire with the downtown ballpark supporters... So, just sit back, and wait for someone to explain how a DT ballpark would have been the best thing for the KC area as a whole...
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| Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:47 am |
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chrizow
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Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:43 pm Posts: 16518
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how is channeling hundreds of millions into a giant mistake of a development (TSC) best for KC as a whole? hell, the TSC improvements don't even help a "small section," let alone "the whole area." the Star's position was basically the equivalent of putting $200M into "upgrading" the obsolete, poorly-located Kemper Arena rather than spending $270M on a brand new facility in the heart of downtown. picture a new K a few blocks from the Sprint Center. you're telling me that wouldn't be good for more than just downtown?
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aknowledgeableperson
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Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:31 am Posts: 9941
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^^^ Let's see. A downtown stadium tying up 4 to 6, or more, blocks sitting empty for 280 days a year, bringing no life at all to downtown. In its place have those same blocks occupied by offices, retail, restaurants, residences, etc. bringing life to downtown just about every day of the year. I will take the second choice.
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chrizow
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interesting. i guess kansas city, arlington TX, phoenix, anaheim, etc. have it right and the rest of the cities in the league have it wrong.
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