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technically, it could go forever. the only limitation would be density and built environment along any extended portion of the line (and cost, of course). after 10 miles from the city center, you start getting into some pretty inhospitable places to be on foot (at least on the arterials where there are people AND jobs). also, the project is defined primarily as a circulator, not as much for commuters like many light rail (or even BRT) lines.

i don't have an updated map of the whole route, but i snapped these termini pics at the open house:

http://transitkc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/map_RM.jpg

http://transitkc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/map_CC.jpg


Fri May 18, 2012 8:43 pm
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I'm sure the promoters have thought of this, but the obvious place to find residents of the district is at the downtown Cosentino's. You won't be guaranteed to get only supporters, but if you press a ballot into the hands of anyone leaving the store on foot with groceries in hand, or anyone younger than a certain age, I think you'd be likely to end up with a lot more "yes" votes than "no" votes. ... Another likely place to find supportive residents is among weekend bus-riders in the district.


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I sincerely hope the streetcar passes. I think a lot more people will find it useful than what they might think. For example, I walked from 10th & Main to City Market for lunch today with some co-workers. It's a pleasant walk, not too far. However, it's rare that we take the time to walk down there and back over lunch. With the streetcar I plan to begin eating lunch further afield (City Market, Crossroads, etc.) on a more routine basis because I'll be able to cover the ground a bit quicker (and be insulated from the heat during later summer).



The best term for the streetcar that I heard from yesterday's presenation and I think Dave said this as well was calling the streetcar a "pedestrian accelerator". Such a good description.


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DaveKCMO wrote:
technically, it could go forever. the only limitation would be density and built environment along any extended portion of the line (and cost, of course). after 10 miles from the city center, you start getting into some pretty inhospitable places to be on foot (at least on the arterials where there are people AND jobs).

You'd have to think 63rd or 75th would be the absolute farthest south anybody would want to run a line. 51st seems a likelier terminus, but then I imagine Brooksiders and Waldonians might be willing to pay for an extension to their neighborhoods even though it would be impractical to ride a the thing all the way downtown. With infrequent stops, a streetcar between the Plaza, the Brookside shops, and Waldo Pizza would probably see some use.


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agreed. still, some people say "what good is it if it doesn't go to the airport?" i am now actively telling people to NEVER expect rail service to KCI's current location. it's just simply too far and there's not much between there and downtown.


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Youtube video on the old KC Streetcars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD1Fglkn8xM


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Those were the days. There was even a sidewalk on the west side of Main St by the Liberty Memorial. :P


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Fewer than 500 people could determine whether Kansas City establishes a special downtown streetcar taxing district.

As of Friday afternoon, just under 400 people living within the proposed streetcar district boundaries had applied to the Jackson County court administrator for ballots for the unusual mail-in election later this summer.

Officials estimate about 3,200 active registered voters live in the proposed streetcar district.

The deadline to apply for a ballot is 5 p.m. Tuesday.


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“My goal is to make sure as many people get involved in the election as possible,” said David Johnson, a downtown resident and streetcar advocate.

Johnson has been visiting downtown residential buildings to get the word out, but he notes that downtown rarely has a big voter turnout, even in conventional elections.


http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/18/36 ... ndred.html


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...and i wasn't just blowing smoke up the star's ass. i really am trying to get everyone involved!


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DaveKCMO wrote:
...and i wasn't just blowing smoke up the star's ass. i really am trying to get everyone involved!

It's been mentioned before, but thanks again for all of your efforts on this!


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...and i wasn't just blowing smoke up the star's ass. i really am trying to get everyone involved!


I can attest to this. Dave has done a fantastic job in getting the word out and informing people of the benefits of having a streetcar.


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Downtowners are leading on streetcar election

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It’s not unusual for a small group to be the catalyst for something bigger than themselves. That’s what downtown residents are about to embrace.

The voting process for the downtown streetcar is underway. This small project will trigger a transit renaissance in Kansas City, stimulating our economy and spurring private investment downtown. It’s the right project at the right time.


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At its peak in 1922, 136 million rides were given on Kansas City’s 319-mile streetcar network. Not a bus in sight at the time.

Population approaching 400,000 was confined to an area extending no farther south than the Plaza. Fast-forward to our new millennium — well after the demise of streetcar networks nationwide — the promises of cheap housing on the fringe and cheap gas to take you there are gone.

A new generation, hesitant to repeat the same mistakes and distracted by a need to be constantly connected instead of constantly driving, are rejecting the status quo.

But this isn’t fueled by nostalgia — since most of us don’t even remember the streetcar days.

It’s fueled by lessons history has taught us. Building cities takes a long time, repairing them takes even longer. Let downtowners lead the way, so that others may follow.


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DaveKCMO wrote:
Downtowners are leading on streetcar election

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It’s not unusual for a small group to be the catalyst for something bigger than themselves. That’s what downtown residents are about to embrace.

The voting process for the downtown streetcar is underway. This small project will trigger a transit renaissance in Kansas City, stimulating our economy and spurring private investment downtown. It’s the right project at the right time.


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At its peak in 1922, 136 million rides were given on Kansas City’s 319-mile streetcar network. Not a bus in sight at the time.

Population approaching 400,000 was confined to an area extending no farther south than the Plaza. Fast-forward to our new millennium — well after the demise of streetcar networks nationwide — the promises of cheap housing on the fringe and cheap gas to take you there are gone.

A new generation, hesitant to repeat the same mistakes and distracted by a need to be constantly connected instead of constantly driving, are rejecting the status quo.

But this isn’t fueled by nostalgia — since most of us don’t even remember the streetcar days.

It’s fueled by lessons history has taught us. Building cities takes a long time, repairing them takes even longer. Let downtowners lead the way, so that others may follow.


Nice article Dave and to the point. I don't have a facebook account or I would have posted a comment to rebutt the the initial comment posted by what I can only believe is a tea bagger.


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Post Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar
materials from last week's open houses have been posted at http://kcsmartmoves.org/, including the block-by-block route detail map.


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streetcar will be a topic on the next "Imagine KC" episode, airing 7:30 thursday: http://kcpt.org/blog/2012/05/20/imagine-kc-transit-oriented-development/


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I don't have a facebook account or I would have posted a comment to rebutt the the initial comment posted by what I can only believe is a tea bagger.


Don't bother. That guy is the chief troll on that part of the Star site.


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please share this image today!

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'603 apply to vote on district for Kansas City streetcar line'

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... t-for.html


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chaglang wrote:
Pork Chop wrote:
I don't have a facebook account or I would have posted a comment to rebutt the the initial comment posted by what I can only believe is a tea bagger.


Don't bother. That guy is the chief troll on that part of the Star site.



Good to know.


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'603 apply to vote on district for Kansas City streetcar line'

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/n ... t-for.html



Around 10% of the eligible voters and in line with municipal elections, I would be surprised if the TDD didn’t pass.

Next step, find out if KC has been awarded the $25 million tiger grant.

This is starting to look good. Dave awesome job on the final push.


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