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DaveKCMO
Global Moderator
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:22 am Posts: 11788 Location: Crossroads
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 Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar
the message all along has been that our project should be further along (i.e. local funding approved and engineering complete... we'll have both of those by early fall), but was competitive. i was still very hopeful, of course.
the important thing is whether this changes anyone's vote. i doubt that.
list might be public by friday.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:28 pm |
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pash
Valencia Place
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:47 am Posts: 1535
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 Re: KCMO Downtown Streetcar
I don't think there's a full list out. Looks like most of the reports on winners are coming from congressional and mayoral offices rather than USDOT. If you search Google News you'll see a bunch of stories starting to break. Here are some of the urban/intracity-transit winners: - $15MM to Memphis for pedestrian and streetscape improvements downtown
- $10MM to Birmingham for pedestrian, bike, and road improvements downtown
- $10MM to Tampa for its Riverwalk
- $15MM to Pittsburgh for a transit plaza
- $15MM to Rochester for a train and bus station
- $10MM to North Spokane (Wa.) for pedestrian and bike trails along a big freeway project
Mobile (Ala.) and Sacramento also got money for improvements to intermodal transport facilities. The Detroit press is also now reporting that Detroit will not receive any TIGER money.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:37 pm |
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pash
Valencia Place
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:47 am Posts: 1535
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The Star's story reporting that KC will get no TIGER money is now out:
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:51 pm |
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AllThingsKC
Mark Twain Tower
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:57 pm Posts: 8519 Location: Kansas City, Missouri (Downtown)
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:07 pm |
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chingon
Penntower
Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:47 am Posts: 2473
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I worry that it'll shift momentum. Hope I'm wrong.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:10 pm |
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Pork Chop
Western Auto Lofts
Joined: Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:41 am Posts: 652
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That's a good reason due to the limited funds that were available. I will still vote for the TDD.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:10 pm |
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KCMax
Global Moderator
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:31 pm Posts: 22289 Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
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So...what's Plan B? What's the next step here? Vote, hope it gets approved, re-apply next year? Can they go ahead and begin the process without federal funds?
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:18 pm |
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DaveKCMO
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Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:22 am Posts: 11788 Location: Crossroads
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project can continue without federal funding if TDD is approved.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:20 pm |
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smh
Valencia Place
Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:40 am Posts: 1637 Location: River Market
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Any chance Connect-KC sends out a letter explaining to voters how the project moves forward? I worry that people simply won't return their ballots now. Or, worse, vote no.
I suppose I'm acting a little like the sky is falling.
EDIT: Mayor James' release is a good start!
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:35 pm |
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chingon
Penntower
Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:47 am Posts: 2473
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There's a good chance there won't be TIGER grants next year and even if there are, there's a significant chance that mass transit infrastructure will be shunned.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:46 pm |
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grovester
Valencia Place
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:30 am Posts: 1876 Location: KC Metro
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A press release from a pro-streetcar group is definitely in order.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:47 pm |
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kcjak
Alameda Tower
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:02 pm Posts: 1087
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Another proposal from Clay Chastain.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:51 pm |
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kcmetro
One Park Place
Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:19 am Posts: 6643
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17th time's the charm, right?
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:54 pm |
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DaveKCMO
Global Moderator
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:22 am Posts: 11788 Location: Crossroads
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:55 pm |
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mean
Administrator
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:00 pm Posts: 9488 Location: Historic Northeast
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Scale it down to six blocks and make it a bus! 
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:46 pm |
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pash
Valencia Place
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:47 am Posts: 1535
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Something tells me they spent more on that domain name than they're going to raise in donations. ...
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:07 pm |
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mean
Administrator
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:00 pm Posts: 9488 Location: Historic Northeast
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Depends. If this thing gets legs, which it could, you never know.
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:19 pm |
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DaveKCMO
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Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:22 am Posts: 11788 Location: Crossroads
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:38 pm |
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grovester
Valencia Place
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:30 am Posts: 1876 Location: KC Metro
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Thanks, I caught that shortly after I posted. Well said. He will need to repeat this over the next week or two as the anti-streetcar folks say "Told you so". Along with all the other salient points you have made throughout this process, (worst case funding scenarios, etc.)
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:55 pm |
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pash
Valencia Place
Joined: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:47 am Posts: 1535
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He's also going to have to explain where the additional $25MM is going to come from. Is the plan to (a) raise 33% more money than planned from the TDD, (b) pay for the streetcar through bond issues or additional local taxes or (c) wait to see what we can get from the FTA's Small Starts program or other federal programs?
It seems like the plan is (c), but is there any reason to think federal money will be any more forthcoming through another program? And how long is the wait-and-see-what-we-can-get-out-of-the-Feds approach going to set everything back? You can't hold a TDD election to set tax rates until you know the local cost of the project, so do you try to convince everybody that it's still a good plan and move forward with a proposal for tax rates a third higher than advertised?
It would be nice to see some evidence that there really is a Plan B in the coming days and weeks. ...
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| Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:42 pm |
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