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yay, KC North is in the second rally according to the Aug 3 blog post.

hopefully they throw my side of briarcliff in a tiny pool or in a bigger one with the nicer homes that are more likely to sign up


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Three cities in Johnson County will be getting Google Fiber: Westwood, Westwood Hills, and Mission Woods.

So, that should make about 12 people happy.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/3- ... index.html


I can see Mission Hills having like 90% signup rates when they go there.


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I can see Mission Hills having like 90% signup rates when they go there.


Which would be about 10 people, based on their population.


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There are about 1,250 households in MIssion Hills.


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There are about 1,250 households in MIssion Hills.


I think he got it confused with Mission Woods, which is getting Google Fiber and has a grand total of 77 households.


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You mean there's a difference between Mission Hills and Mission Woods? Oh, I guess not all hills have woods and not all woods are hilly. Jeez, it's hard for me to keep these suburbs straight. Them big city, outa towners from Google are probably confused, too. And they think all apartment buildings are 1 story!


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just got back from a google fiberhood outreach meeting for neighborhood association leaders. pretty good turnout, i think there were probably 100 people there. (though it seemed like armour hills had like 8 people there!). didn't learn too much that i didn't already know, but someone very directly stated that the pre-registration process is only highlighting the existing digital divide in KC (and this country) where people in poorer communities are out of the loop and not likely to have the ability to participate in the process. the local team leader, who is a local KC person, basically point blank stated "it's our job to get to those people" and, if those fiberhoods don't register, they don't get the service.

the issue with multi-family housing was not raised, at least not in the wider discussion group. folks may have brought it up individually with one of the many google fiber reps there.


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chrizow wrote:
someone very directly stated that the pre-registration process is only highlighting the existing digital divide in KC (and this country) where people in poorer communities are out of the loop and not likely to have the ability to participate in the process. the local team leader, who is a local KC person, basically point blank stated "it's our job to get to those people" and, if those fiberhoods don't register, they don't get the service.


Working on this from a few different angles right now. Aside from the $10, and then the $300, you need to have a credit or debit card to sign up. I have mixed feelings about the "make the community do it, or if the digital divide widens it's your fault" strategy. Ultimately (and quite some time ago) I decided the opportunity for KC was big enough that it's worth going all in and trying to help all neighborhoods get eligible/connected/digitally literate, despite the manipulative marketing and apparent "treating-Google-as-a-charity" aspect. I'm curious how others feel.


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I would love to help out somehow, and I've been trying to find some sort of organized effort to get people signed up, but I haven't been able to find anything. Does anyone know if there is a group or something where I can volunteer or donate a little walking around money?


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heatherkay wrote:
I would love to help out somehow, and I've been trying to find some sort of organized effort to get people signed up, but I haven't been able to find anything. Does anyone know if there is a group or something where I can volunteer or donate a little walking around money?


go to the google fiber HQ. each fiberhood has a rep assigned to it to get the word out, and there are a lot of them. last night at the rallying meeting, they advised that we get in touch with these reps to reach out to communities. for those whose fiberhoods have met the threshold, if you want to help i would say start trying to get the word out in the east KCMO or north KCK that basically have zero participation so far.


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Cool -- I didn't realize they had that organization. I thought it was more like you said -- that we were responsible for taking care of it ourselves.


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Working on a project with Neighbor.ly to raise money and several organizations to coordinate outreach efforts. We're targeting a Friday launch for the Neighbor.ly thing (for funding) and if you're interested in helping with door-to-door efforts, I'm keeping a list and helping to coordinate among different neighborhoods. Send a PM if you are interested in joining the list. A preliminary door-to-door east side KCMO effort is scheduled for this Sat.

Also, I'll be collecting any flyers etc and getting them posted online so neighborhoods can share others' work. Will let you know as it's posted.

The Give Us a Gig effort over the past 8 months has been geared toward exactly this kind of organization.


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I still don't buy that the current threshold is some do or die number. Google will get terrible publicity if they ignore the poorer neighborhoods because of this "interest" drive. I completely understand the business end of things, but the eyes focused on this experiment are focused on much more than just the business end of things. Articles will not be kind if Google stiff-arms the very communities it did a study to bring attention to, and I am sure Google is plenty aware of this. At the present, it makes sense that they will claim their intention is to ignore communities that don't have the numbers because it bolsters the power of the current drive for registrations, but I would bet that they change their tune within the next year as far as the either/or nature of the fiber thresholds.

Even if current hoods don't meet the number, I'll bet they are either given a second chance, extended into phase II, or implemented after the priority hoods are implemented. Obviously, there can't be guarantees from Google, but I find it hard to believe they would permanently turn their backs on potential customers given their intent to compete with the big boys. If it is just an experiment, then there is even more incentive to move into low-income markets. Part of competing in this arena, though, is to take over. Every hood that Google ignores is a chance for TWC and others to maintain a hold in the area, and from the GOOG's long-term perspective, it is probably better to get as many 7-year-free subscribers as possible, even where interest is low overall.


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I still don't buy that the current threshold is some do or die number. Google will get terrible publicity if they ignore the poorer neighborhoods because of this "interest" drive. I completely understand the business end of things, but the eyes focused on this experiment are focused on much more than just the business end of things. Articles will not be kind if Google stiff-arms the very communities it did a study to bring attention to, and I am sure Google is plenty aware of this. At the present, it makes sense that they will claim their intention is to ignore communities that don't have the numbers because it bolsters the power of the current drive for registrations, but I would bet that they change their tune within the next year as far as the either/or nature of the fiber thresholds.

Even if current hoods don't meet the number, I'll bet they are either given a second chance, extended into phase II, or implemented after the priority hoods are implemented. Obviously, there can't be guarantees from Google, but I find it hard to believe they would permanently turn their backs on potential customers given their intent to compete with the big boys. If it is just an experiment, then there is even more incentive to move into low-income markets. Part of competing in this arena, though, is to take over. Every hood that Google ignores is a chance for TWC and others to maintain a hold in the area, and from the GOOG's long-term perspective, it is probably better to get as many 7-year-free subscribers as possible, even where interest is low overall.


I wouldn't be surprised if you are right, but I'm not sure what that means from a civic action point of view. I would guess an extension would be based in part on demonstration of interest and active pursuit by neighborhoods.


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I guess some JoCo cities are peeved Google cut a deal with Mission Woods, Westwood and Westwood Hills

http://pvpost.com/2012/08/07/prairie-vi ... 95#respond


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KCMax wrote:
I guess some JoCo cities are peeved Google cut a deal with Mission Woods, Westwood and Westwood Hills

http://pvpost.com/2012/08/07/prairie-vi ... 95#respond


Geography hurt them. As well as not being proactive enough.


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Geography hurt them. As well as not being proactive enough.


Sounds like they weren't proactive enough. But, geography? how does PV geography differ from Westwood, Westwood Hills?


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KC-wildcat wrote:
NDTeve wrote:

Geography hurt them. As well as not being proactive enough.


Sounds like they weren't proactive enough. But, geography? how does PV geography differ from Westwood, Westwood Hills?


i dont know what ndteve was going for, but PV is a way bigger undertaking than westwood, westwood mills, and mission woods. those three cities combined have less than half the population of PV, and they are in a very limited geographic area directly adjacent to the current phase-I deployment fiberhoods.


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KC-wildcat wrote:
NDTeve wrote:

Geography hurt them. As well as not being proactive enough.


Sounds like they weren't proactive enough. But, geography? how does PV geography differ from Westwood, Westwood Hills?


closer to KCK/WYCO...existing lines


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