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Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:23 am
by MoMan
WSPanic wrote:
I don't have any problem admitting MU has had a better football history than KU. 26 bowls vs. 12 is quite significant. But, outside of the rivalry, the difference in perception isn't all that significant. Certainly not to the point where Harbaugh - or anyone - would really consider it that much better of a job.
I just like to hear Mizzou fans like Michael running around screaming for some sort of respect because they played in the 1972 Fiesta Bowl or pulled a 8:30am slot at The Cotton Bowl. If KCPowercat wasn't so singularly obsessed with KU, he would call them out for needing validation.
It's not so much that Mizzou fans like Michael are "screaming for respect because they played in the 1972 Fiesta Bowl". They're asking that Kansas fans like MD and the others stop stomping their feet and demanding that others see KU's football tradition as anything more than unremarkable simply because Lew Perkins bought them a berth in a forgettable and poorly attended Orange Bowl game.
They really need to get over their lust for nonstop acclaim and realize the outside world sees things more objectively than the denizens of KU sports boards.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:27 am
by kcmetro
MoMan wrote:
It's not so much that Mizzou fans like Michael are "screaming for respect because they played in the 1972 Fiesta Bowl". They're asking that Kansas fans like MD and the others stop stomping their feet and demanding that others see KU's football tradition as anything more than unremarkable simply because Lew Perkins bought them a berth in a forgettable and poorly attended Orange Bowl game.
They really need to get over their lust for nonstop acclaim and realize the outside world sees things more objectively than the denizens of KU sports boards.
I agree. The history of KU football is mediocre at best. We've had some good seasons sprinkled throughout, but nothing that anyone outside Kansas would consider significant. But the perception of MU football is the same outside Missouri. Nobody looks at MU or KU as anything but middle of the pack Big 12 teams. We need years and years of sustained success to change that perception.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:29 am
by LenexatoKCMO
MoMan wrote:
They're asking that Kansas fans like MD and the others stop stomping their feet
The irony of one banned poster bitching about another banned poster. At least MD doesn't keep coming back with puppets like MoMan.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:36 am
by NDTeve
To the outside world...KU and MU are equals. When you look at the programs side by side...MU has a better program/better history. But still doesn't get any respect outside the states of Missouri/Kansas/Illinois/etc. Hell, ask an SEC fan about MU's "tradition" and they'll laugh in your face. Same goes for OU/Texas/USC/Ohio State.
K-State football has more credibility to the outside world than Mizzou.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:44 am
by MoMan
LenexatoKCMO wrote:
The irony of one banned poster bitching about another banned poster.
Would that be WSPanic bitching about Michael?
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:54 pm
by kcmetro
Just got done watching the Gill presser. I'm more excited than ever for this guy to be the new coach! Home run hire!!!
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:11 pm
by KCPowercat
'he speaks so well' -ku fans
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:58 pm
by LenexatoKCMO
KCP - I see your coordinators are all starting to look for greener pastures. Cause for worry?
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:59 pm
by kcmetro
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:10 pm
by KCPowercat
#1 jersey? Was he ku's 1st round draft pic? Should have given him an honest number...3, 4, 5'ish
lenexa...never like to lose staff so sure always anxious to see who their replacement would be.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:24 pm
by KCMax
KCPowercat wrote:
#1 jersey? Was he ku's 1st round draft pic? Should have given him an honest number...3, 4, 5'ish
Like Roy Williams? How many guys passed us over before we got that loser? Eddie Fogler, Mike Kryzewski, Gary Williams, Gene Keady, Charlie Spoonhour, Bobby Cremins....
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:28 pm
by KCPowercat
confused.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:29 pm
by KCMax
KCPowercat wrote:
confused.
Roy Williams wasn't in KU's top five choices when they initially hired him. Coach K, Cremins, Fogler and Gary Williams all turned KU down.
I've heard the same goes for KSU hiring Bill Snyder.
They both turned out okay.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:29 pm
by NDTeve
KCPowercat wrote:
confused.
He's saying that Roy Williams wasn't the first choice of Bob Frederick but he turned out okay. Just hope that no-one calls Turner Gill "scary smart."
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:34 pm
by LenexatoKCMO
KCPowercat wrote:
#1 jersey? Was he ku's 1st round draft pic? Should have given him an honest number...3, 4, 5'ish
Hell, the Mangino backers are convinced that Lew and Gill conspired in planning this whole course of events months ago.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:37 pm
by kcmetro
LenexatoKCMO wrote:
Hell, the Mangino backers are convinced that Lew and Gill conspired in planning this whole course of events months ago. :lol:
Actually years ago.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:51 pm
by KCPowercat
my comment max quoted gave no judgment on the hire...just found the jsersey #1 to be funny in many ways...since he obviously wasn't '#1'...but since it was brought up, I think its pretty safe to say turner won't be mentioned in the same breath as roy williams or bill snyder many more times....
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:04 pm
by kcmetro
KCPowercat wrote:
my comment max quoted gave no judgment on the hire...just found the jsersey #1 to be funny in many ways...since he obviously wasn't '#1'...but since it was brought up, I think its pretty safe to say turner won't be mentioned in the same breath as roy williams or bill snyder many more times....
It sounds like Gill was Lew's #1 guy, even if he wasn't most fans' #1 guy. He was the first one he interviewed, and the rumors about Harbaugh were just rumors. Lew made it pretty clear that he loved Gill from the first time he met him, and it sounds like he wanted him all along.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:09 pm
by KCPowercat
you may just be the most myopic fan of any team that frequents this site. Congrats.
Re: Big 12 Football 2009
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:10 pm
by KCMax
kcmetro wrote:
It sounds like Gill was Lew's #1 guy, even if he wasn't most fans' #1 guy. He was the first one he interviewed, and the rumors about Harbaugh were just rumors. Lew made it pretty clear that he loved Gill from the first time he met him, and it sounds like he wanted him all along.
No. There are a number of published reports they offered Harbaugh the job. I'm okay with Gill, but he was very clearly their #2 pick.
