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A Village Voice article on Mitt Romney at Bain Capital retelling how Bain bought Armco Steel. When purchased, Armco was a profitable and productive steel plant. Bain threw out management who had run the plant well, and brought in their own consultants who had never run a steel plant. Bain borrowed millions on Armco's credit and collateral, and sucked out money from the plant--paying themselves millions and leaving it in bankruptcy. Workers lost millions in benefits and pensions, and the government had to cover the losses to workers, who ended up with much less than they had earned.

Not only that, contractors and other related industries that served Armco were affected.

If you think Romney is a white knight job creator, I doubt you will after reading this article. Bain bought profitable companies with very little down, not distressed ones, for the sole purpose of loading them up with debt and paying themselves first, before driving the company into bankruptcy.

The Kansas City story starts on page 2 of the article.
Private equity companies like Bain rarely buy anything but profitable firms for one compelling reason: The patient must be healthy enough to be force-fed all that debt. So it's something of a misnomer for Republican opponents to slur him as a "vulture capitalist."

"Romney is not a vulture capitalist, as Rick Perry says, since vultures eat dead carcasses," notes Josh Kosman, who has written about the private equity business for 15 years. He's "more of a parasitic capitalist, since he destroys profitable businesses."
Yet they seem strangely incurious about the ruin he has delivered across the country. Take Kansas City, for example.

The Armco plant closing involved more than the torching of 750 jobs, Morrow says. Contractors and suppliers collapsed. Workers' children and widows lost health care and pension benefits. And while Bain received millions in tax breaks—paid for by the very people left holding the bag—Romney walked away millions richer.

So one might forgive everyday Americans for feeling they're on the wrong end of a rigged game, one where the wealthy always win—no matter how inept—and the little guy is left to hack through the debris.
"The great irony is that his entire management experience at Bain Capital is buying companies and loading them up with debt and then looting the balance sheet," Foster says. "It's the very model that drove the American economy off the cliff then left other people to manage the wreckage."

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Mitt Romney, American Parasite
His years at Bain represent everything you hate about capitalism

A Village Voice article on Mitt Romney at Bain Capital retelling how Bain bought Armco Steel. When purchased, Armco was a profitable and productive steel plant. Bain threw out management who had run the plant well, and brought in their own consultants who had never run a steel plant. Bain borrowed millions on Armco's credit and collateral, and sucked out money from the plant--paying themselves millions and leaving it in bankruptcy. Workers lost millions in benefits and pensions, and the government had to cover the losses to workers, who ended up with much less than they had earned.

Not only that, contractors and other related industries that served Armco were affected.

If you think Romney is a white knight job creator, I doubt you will after reading this article. Bain bought profitable companies with very little down, not distressed ones, for the sole purpose of loading them up with debt and paying themselves first, before driving the company into bankruptcy.

The Kansas City story starts on page 2 of the article.
Private equity companies like Bain rarely buy anything but profitable firms for one compelling reason: The patient must be healthy enough to be force-fed all that debt. So it's something of a misnomer for Republican opponents to slur him as a "vulture capitalist."

"Romney is not a vulture capitalist, as Rick Perry says, since vultures eat dead carcasses," notes Josh Kosman, who has written about the private equity business for 15 years. He's "more of a parasitic capitalist, since he destroys profitable businesses."
Yet they seem strangely incurious about the ruin he has delivered across the country. Take Kansas City, for example.

The Armco plant closing involved more than the torching of 750 jobs, Morrow says. Contractors and suppliers collapsed. Workers' children and widows lost health care and pension benefits. And while Bain received millions in tax breaks—paid for by the very people left holding the bag—Romney walked away millions richer.

So one might forgive everyday Americans for feeling they're on the wrong end of a rigged game, one where the wealthy always win—no matter how inept—and the little guy is left to hack through the debris.
"The great irony is that his entire management experience at Bain Capital is buying companies and loading them up with debt and then looting the balance sheet," Foster says. "It's the very model that drove the American economy off the cliff then left other people to manage the wreckage."
Even Kaplan admits that private equity firms rarely create jobs. Workers are seen as costs, and costs are the enemy. According to Kosman, Romney was in truth among the most heinous job-killers of them all.

While writing his book, Kosman conducted an interview with a Bain managing partner. The man told him that when Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. "He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers," Kosman says. "They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan."

That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney's first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn't account for bankruptcies and factory and store closings.
Even a company Romney cites as one of his greatest achievements—Steel Dynamics, where he was a minority investor—was practically launched by corporate welfare. Indiana taxpayers gave the firm $77 million to open a plant. Residents of DeKalb County actually had their income taxes raised solely to help Romney and his friends.

Tad DeHaven calls it "theft and redistribution."

He's no yammering Trotskyite; DeHaven is a former budget adviser to Republican U.S. senators Jeff Sessions of Alabama and Tom Coburn of Oklahoma. Yet he notes that firms like Bain often get governments to subsidize their raiding parties.

The feds take $100 billion a year from everyday taxpayers and send it straight to companies like Romney's, says DeHaven, who now works for the Cato Institute, a conservative think tank.
But judging by his business history, the president he most resembles is Vladimir Putin. Romney has devoted his life to ensuring that every last penny rises to a few hands at the top. And like Putin, he has never shown much concern for the countrymen he tramples along the way.

"The word 'oligarchy' comes to mind," says Michael Keating when asked to envision a Romney presidency.

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FangKC wrote: When purchased, Armco was a profitable and productive steel plant. Bain threw out management who had run the plant well,
Excuse the French but Bull Shit.

The local plant was on its last legs, employment was already down from its peak of 4,500, its product lines were reduced to 2 made with out-of-date equipment. It was so bad Armco either was close to mothballing the plant or selling it. In other words the plant was not in Armco's future.

Not saying Bain was a white knight but those workers that were left were close to being out of a job anyway. At least those workers had some additional years of employment before the factory was shut down.
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Karl Rove's Electoral Map:

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Obama wins if he gets all the "lean Obama" states and loses all the "toss up" and "lean Romney" states. But its still very early, the campaign is really just beginning.
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The Bidens are in town today. VP Joe for a private fundraiser, his wife Jill is at Penn Valley.

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They had SW Blvd. closed for about half an hour. Couldn't get from one side to the other. Strike one!
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Romney expected to visit KC next week

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Rumor Mitt Romney is coming into town tomorrow.
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Not just a rumor. Fundraising at a private residence.
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chingon wrote:Not just a rumor. Fundraising at a private residence.
Your place?
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Yep. Mittens is shoring up his bungalow-belt bonafides. I sure hope he thinks my trees are the right height.
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Bungalows are people my friend.
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Obama comes out on the side of gay marriage. Should make things interesting in making more of a contrast between him and Mitt.
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aknowledgeableperson wrote:Obama comes out on the side of gay marriage. Should make things interesting in making more of a contrast between him and Mitt.
The gay activist cock-sucking has already began. If he was REALLY for gay marriage, he wouldn't have waited 40+ years to announce it. I hate election year politics, and the completely mindless fools that fall for the political dick swinging.


Tell me this, why is the argument centered around "Gay" rights, and not "Equal" rights?

What's wrong with a civil union if it were to equate the same legal rights as a marriage?
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The fact that NC just banned civil unions might have something to do with the timing.
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Romney's official fundraiser is at the Westin at 6.
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grovester wrote:The fact that NC just banned civil unions might have something to do with the timing.
Obama also has a multi-million dollar fundraiser in Hollywood this week.
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KCMax wrote:
grovester wrote:The fact that NC just banned civil unions might have something to do with the timing.
Obama also has a multi-million dollar fundraiser in Hollywood this week.
also Biden said in a TV interview sunday that he supports gay marriage, setting off a media frenzy around the president's views. biden forced obama's hand and basically made him take a stand.
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im2kull wrote:
aknowledgeableperson wrote:Obama comes out on the side of gay marriage. Should make things interesting in making more of a contrast between him and Mitt.
The gay activist cock-sucking has already began. If he was REALLY for gay marriage, he wouldn't have waited 40+ years to announce it. I hate election year politics, and the completely mindless fools that fall for the political dick swinging.


Tell me this, why is the argument centered around "Gay" rights, and not "Equal" rights?

What's wrong with a civil union if it were to equate the same legal rights as a marriage?
Because he could have lost the previous election had he come out, no pun intended, for it earlier. I think that he has just been waiting for the right time. The timing was more likely to be the second term, but the issue was brought forward and is now part of the strategy. Note to everyone... every single issue in every single circumstance is election year politics. Things done after 9/11... used to get reelected. Things done during WWII... used to get reelected. MLK... used to get reelected. Lets not pretend like this is the first time it has happened. GW used the Lincoln analogy of don't change horses midstream with two wars and probably mentioned 9/11 17,000 times. Lets not pretend that Osama and other issues are new or lowly tactics. There may be genuine consensus issues now and again, but those still get voted for so that politicians don't look bad. Posturing goes on every day of every year. What is different now is that agreeing that another party had a good idea or sacrificing the present for the long term will make you look like a wimp: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... odbye?lite

As for gay marriage, a civil union is not marriage. Marriage is a religious institution, and a civil union is by the government. Government should avoid the position of telling all religions how to practice faith when the basic rights of individuals, both religious and non-religious, are not at risk of being compromised. Last time I checked, the only people affected by gay marriage are those getting married, the families of those getting married, and those afraid to switch on BRAVO for fear of being turned. If a religion wishes to not allow this type of marriage, then so be it, but the government does not need to dictate this upon people of all faiths and non-faiths. What I think has been lost in all of this nonsense is that you don't have to agree with gay marriage to agree that gay marriage should be legal. I don't agree with a number of things that are legal, but that does not mean I should campaign for them to be illegal.
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im2kull wrote:What's wrong with a civil union if it were to equate the same legal rights as a marriage?
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